On another board someone said he's getting 1/4 MOA at 800 meters with the .223 cartridge. Would anyone else here ask them what they're smoking? or is this possible? I think that's well beyond effective range for that round and anything over 600 would be pure luck.

Shot a 193 in F class at 1k last year with my AR. 75gr Amaxs pushed by 25gr of RE15. Yes it is a single load. Shooter next to me shot a 195 in SR with 90gr JLKs.

That litte gun can reach out there. By the way I also shot a 135 at that same match when the wind started gusting 10-35 mph.

So you're talking 1000yds/meters with an AR? I wouldn't think a bullet that light would hold any kind of pattern travelling that far. Every factor would effect it.

You got it 1000 yards.
Saw a guy shoot a 170 at Hardrock with a 223 bolt gun.

The wind will kick your a$$ shooting the 223 at 1K but its fun.

AMU has a bunch of ARs set up for 1K SR. Long throat for the 90grJLK.

I'm not saying he gets .25MOA at 800. Just saying don't sell the mouse gun short.

I have been to some of the matches L.London is talking about. hearing a .223 hit at 1000yds is something to hear!!!

Now the 1/4 MOA at 800yds I do not know of.

I would say the MAX effective range for .223rem in a Sniper role is 600yds or so. But target shooting it gets out to 1000yds with a score by a skilled shooter. RED

Talk to some of the guys shootin BUILT match rifles with 90 gr JLK runnin 2800 FPS. them guys are smoking

Well, He MAY have HAD ONE group that was 2"@800, but i'd bet 500$ he couldnt do it on command .

BS I say
I shoot 1K BR guns from 100-1000yds and would soil myself if i had a 2" group at 800yds.

Now 600 is definately doable.

BTW--I have a few buddies that shoot a 17 to 1000yds!!!!!

it is a 17mach 4 with custom 37gn bullets.

done several 1.5" groups at 500yds and an 8" 10-shot group at 1K is the best so far. I believe his agg at williamsport for 6 matches was about 12" for 6-10shot groups

So with the right bulelts 223 to 1K is doable.

Cheers,
JB

The AR TM/FM indicated 600M point targets and 800M area targets.

Snipers at the NGB school and US Army schools have told me that they are getting hits at point targets at 800M with a scoped rifle, but nothing like 1/4MOA.

SSG

I would doubt the 1/4 moa too, but the 1000 yd iron sight matches are called Palma, i beleive, those guys shoot very heavy bullets and I know 2 junior olympic girls who shoot this and they shoot quite good. I have a hard enough time shooting that far with my .300 win mag with a scope, but they do shoot that far.

It might be noted that when the military designates MER it is bassed on issue amunitions (bullet weight and force at expended ranges) and what the average shooter with BRM training is capable of, not special loads fired by advanced marksmen.

SSG

Don't know about 1/4 MOA, but some friends of mine can take out prairie dogs (read coke bottle sized targets) out to 900 yards with regularity.

I attended an AMU coaching session by the current Army International shooting team last Saturday (great by the way!). The main presenter holds the national service rifle record using a regular DCM type AR with 18" barrel shooting 90gr Bergers. He cleaned the 1000 yrd target with it!!! Quite an achievement. The .223 can shoot if the nut behind the gun can drive it!

I would rather shoot pature poodles at 600 yards with a 22-250 any day. I have shot the 223 and 233wssm thats why I own a 22-250. 223s don't impress me when you get out to 600 yards with light medium or heavy bullets, 55-90 gr.s

Let me state it this way it's hard to make a tackdriver out of a geologists rock hammer.

I wouldn't want to bet my life on a 223 past 600 yards