http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/store...&sw_activeTab=2

I'm not sure I'd want to fire this without a wrist brace.


As a side note here's the new Scandium S&W Model 1911

http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/store...&sw_activeTab=2

500 magnum is a bit much don't ya think?

For anything that you need a concealed revolver for, 357 mag is plenty. Altho I've been looking at some snubbie 45 ACP revolvers. Bigger holes do bleed more, but there is the point of diminishing returns as far as weight goes, that 500 mag revolver weighs more empty than a 1911!

But it does look cool....

Jimro

The shorty .500 is geared more towards professional guides and as backup guns for dangerous game hunters. I'd imagine that if you had a wounded, T'ed off grizzly coming at ya, the recoil would be the last things you would notice!

I might notice the warm, wet feeling in my trousers, though!

500 Mag: Hmmmmmmmmm? Shot one at the range about two months ago.
Didn't think much of it.

For anti-personnel: Loooooooooks Cooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pull that thing and scare the guy to death.
I like the Charter Army Bull-Dog 44 SP or one of the short barreled 44Mags with a 44+P bullet or lighter than magnum loads but higher velosity 180g/200g SJXP 44Mag. With the magnum cases you can get better accuracy and a +P+ load. Full magnum loads out of short barrels are not comfortable for this light weitht body of mine.

For big-game protection, I'm satisfied with my Super Blackhawk w/300g Hornady@1400fps.

I have used this for a Carry Pistol, but you just about have to wear a trench coat to conseal / conceal / conseel / conceel // hmmmmmmmmmm. hide it.

I don't see any reason to purchase / buy a 500. Nice looking though.

SSG

Personal / Home Defense

A friend of mine's mother was home alone up stairs. Her husband (d*** Barse)was 3X Grand Champion with the .45. An intruder came in throug the kitchen door and she heard someone in the house, asked who was their and got no reply. She screamed: "d*** ---- GET THE FORTY-FIVE." I happened to come by the house about an hour later. The kitchen screen door was compleetly ripped off it's hinges (piano style), bent up and lying 15ft from the house in the back yard.

Applying The Principle:

I think home security alarms should, instead of a claxton, have a good digital, live volume, random playing, recording of a 12G Pump Shotgun being cycled.

Crazyer than most!
SSG

I would buy the 8 3/8" or 10 1/2" 500's, I could leave the rifle at home when I go hunting. It has more stopping power than a 45/70 govt fired out of a rifle at 100yds. I just like the power, I'd buy one.

You have some good points there Rubin, but as I recal, though it shot well, my little hands were not comfortable. Its just to bulky for me ---- like Desert Eagles.
You got to be a Goliath to handel one.

SSG

I like the .45 snubbies as well, I looked at the S&W 325PD but it was a little pricy.

has an elephant been terrorizing your neighborhood lol

I'd never hunt a bear as I've never had any inclination to just kill such a majestic and mighty creature but if I ever did???....

The first "Professional Guide" that I paid to take me on a Grizz Hunt who lifted their shirt-tail to show me that the gun they brought along to back me up with is a snub nose revolver???....

Will 5 minutes later find themself alone in the wild, cold, naked and bleeding. LOL!!!

No matter how big the hole in the end of it is!!!LOL!!!

L8R, Bill.

I wouldn't exactly call a 4" barrelled 56-ounce wheelgun a snubnose!

Even with the 4" pipe (part of which is an unrifled compensator) it is still churning out in excess of 2000ft/lbs of energy with the right factory load.

Compare that to your hot .44 Mags doing just over 1000ft/lbs at the muzzle with a 6" barrel.

By backup I meant backup to their primary rifle. I didn't mean it as a backup for the PH to use to backup the hunter. The 4" .500 is intended as a supplemental firearm to a hunter or PH's dangerous game rifle.

Carrying a good backup is good advice when hunting large critters that hunt back.

I was jus....oh nevermind.LOL!!!

L8R, Bill.

Insane!!

Oh BTW...since we are talking "Ultimate Concealed Carry" here???...you might wanna consider these few things when selecting an "Ultimate Concealed Carry" piece...

#1. "SHOOT THROUGHS": If your ever put in a position were you find it necessary to present your concealed carry pistol...thereby "Brandishing A Firearm" things are going to happen quick....real quick....so quick that your mind may not be afforded the time to stop and check to see who or how many innocent bystanders might be behind your assailent....and it's always a wise move when selecting a defensive concealed carry firearm that you choose a caliber/loading that isn't going to take the life of three others dtanding behind your assailent as...your assigned judge and jury would take an extremely dim view of such.

#2. If I'm the attourney representing the family of the recently deceased assailent whom you have just slain???....I'm going to be asking you some rather personal and extremely sensitive questions when you take the stand in defense of your own "Defensive Shooting"..questions that I'll already know the answer too...questions such as....

a. What caliber was the weapon you used in this defensive shooting???

b. Pray tell...What in the world prompted you to select such a large, powerful, sidearm for concealed carry???

c. Didn't it's physical size make it difficult to conceal???

d. How much does it weigh as compared to a more mainstream selection of defensive firearms???

e. Didn't it's somewhat excessive weight make it all that much more cumbersome for you to tote around concealed on your person day in and day out???

f. Did you have to seek out and buy a special holster to accomodate it's special needs as a concealed carry firearm???

g. I would think that the ammunition for such a powerful and not very prolific caliber might be far more expensive than other more popular caliber selections out there....is it???

h. Is the ammunition readily available???...Can I walk into any walmarts and expect to purchase ammunition of this particular caliber???....or is it a hard to find specialty shop item???..possibly even a special order item???

i. What would you approximate the power of this caliber you have chosen to be as compared to the selection of far more popular defensive firearm calibers such as .38 special or 9mm???

j. Why would you chose such and expensive, heavy, cumbersome, hard to find pricey ammo for, grossly over-powered pistol which requires use of an expensive special order concealment holster as...your personal defensive firearm???

and finally???....

k. Tell the truth sir...You didn't spend all that time and money purchasing a grossly over-powered pistol which required seeking out hard to find pricey ammo and special ordered concealment holsters who's bulk and weight made it extremely uncomfortable for you to wear and far more difficult to conceal as comapred to the hundreds of far more popular mainstreams selections out there just because you sought out a firearm for purposes of personal defense did you???...you did so because you had the desire to KILL SOMEONE!!!...which you effectively did....My Clients Son!!!...Who according to the EMT's was reported to be D!O!A! with the administration of one single shot of your over-powered pistols which was delivered just minutes before the EMT's arrived!!!

Now....I'm not suggesting ya'll run out and trade your .357magnums for a .25acp Raven but D@mn man...a .500 MAGNUM???.....that's one caliber I'd never wanna hafta tell a jury of 12 that I shot someone with!!! LOL!!!

He11...the judges raise a brow atcha if ya mention anything over .40....and you only ever say .357 but NEVER, EVER follow it up using the word "Magnum"....as the prosecution will bring that word to light soon enough and make mention of it many times over...loudly.

Surviving the moment of DGU is no big deal....But the litigation that happens afterwards???...is more often than not like Monte Hall's "Let's Make A deal" than the application of sound judgement and justice...so my advice to my brothers here at SP???...when selecting a Defensive Concelament Arm make certain that...

a. It's a popular caliber.

b. With a status quo power factor for such and..

c. For gods sake don't use any of the 6-pac ammo like glasser or corbon or worse yet???..."TACTICAL" anythings..use standard household hollowpoints that come readily available in the 20-50ct boxes at reasonable prices.

This way if you ever do hafta use it???....

Your defense attourney will thank you later...with a much lighter bill.....and for bonus points???...you'll stand a far greater chance of walking with your full rights retained.



Just some things to think about and...L8R, Bill.

I believe the moniker "Ultimate for Concealed Carry" was a joke, kinda tongue-in-cheek.

For personal protection I'd rather have a magnum, a 9mm is ok but he may shoot back even after getting hit a couple times. If you have a magnum, he won't return fire. It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

ya know...I just happened to pick up a nine the other month...

A taurus pt92, you know the beretta clone. My brother needed money to get a 1911 so I bought his 9...

anyways, it came with a full box of federal hydrashock ammo.

I have decided that it will swap months with my 1911 as my "oh darn, something bumped in the night" pistol. 15 9mm hollowpoints is good, that gives me 7 for one bad guy, and 8 for the other, or 5 a piece if there are three of 'em.....

Anyways, a 9mm with ball ammo doesn't give me any confidence at all, but hollowpoints are another matter.

Jimro

The 9mm has come a long way. With some of the modern designed HP's, coupled with +P or +P+ velocities, it is once again a contender.

One of the big things it has going for it is loads like the standard Federal Classic (blue/gray box, not Hydra Shoks) 115grn JHP +P+. It is designed for 9-10 inches of penetration. For folks in very specific jobs (I.e., FAMs) this would be an outstanding round.

I've heard a lot of stories about cops not being able to drop a BG with 9mm's. Maybe they should use the HP's as well.

It all comes down to shot placement. No matter what combat handgun caliber you are shooting, or the load you are using, a perp isn't going to go down just cuz you shot them. Shot placement is key.

I could list real life situations all day where a perp was struck in the heart with one of the first rounds fired and continued to function for quite some time.

Like the FBI Miami shootout.

A recent LE shootout here in Georgia (Cherokee County).

During the Battle of Coffeeville in the 1800's, where the Dalton Gang met it's demise, Emmett Dalton was hit something like 16 times and lived to be a healthy old man. Keep in mind, this was hit's with mainly .44 and .45 lead projectiles.

Would you say the LEO's were nervous in these particular situations? Except for the Dalton shootout where mainly towns people defended their town(using black powder cartridges?). A LEO on a different site who's a Chicago cop mentioned a shootout where the BG was hit multiple times with 9mm's and finally a detective with a .357 dropped him with one shot. The distance was approx 60ft.

I think 9mm's lack gusto at those ranges, they're generally light bullets, hollow points or not, with a small casing which doesn't hold much propellent. I have a Beretta 9mm I like but in those situations I'd prefer a 1911 or a magnum. Shot placement is crucial but you have to draw the line somewhere, a 9mm would be useless at that range when the BG has a 44 mag, which was the case in Chicago.

In the heat of the moment I'm sure it's not as easy to place your shots like you would when someone isn't shooting back. I think being a LEO is a tough job and most are generally under armed. Compared to what some BG's have.