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    Hey can anyone help me on this? I finished my second ghillie suit (normal sort of suit, no material on front) a little while back, (first one made tons of noise and got caught on vegetation) and i was wondering....

    -How many lines of jute are tied on each "line", shall we say, of netting? i have 1 inch netting, and currently dont have enough material, apparently.

    -what do people usually use to keep their sleeves up around their wrists? nylon pullstrap thingy?

    -how do you make it so that enough material covers your arms/torso/legs when lying down?

    I hope someone can help me out on this, as people often ignore me (not necesarilly here). If someone helps me, ill get back ASAP, and i will be greatly thankful.

    MrSkorotsnoy
    blah blah blah paintballers are absent minded blah blah
    Ryan Dacey
    a.k.a. Mr Skorotsnoy
    Wargamer/shooter/full-time human being

  • #2
    4-6 strings.
    Velco. I use buttoned cuffs.
    Unlike most I make my full suit from a pair of overalls. Buttoned at the hands and ankles.

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    • #3
      Sleeves around wrists...either have velcro or some kinda elastic on the cuffs that'll hold it good and tight to your arm. That's what I use. Some people also have a little thumb loop on the cuff. Just sew on a little loop onto the cuff for your thumb to go through and it'll hold your arm sleeve down.

      For the lining of burlap per line and stuff. Well I has no sweet clue because so far I've been to cheap to buy very much burlap. I rely alot of natural vegetation. In my backpack I take grass cutters and a branch snipper thing. So in other words.... Can't help ya on that one.

      To make it so enough covers all of your body, first make it all and the lye down and get somebody to see if any part needs any more burlap.

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      • #4
        Ryan, I'll try and answer your questions, but keep in mind that the beauty of camoflage is the chaos within the pattern, you will only know if your camo is up to spec by whether or not the other guy finds you...On the battlefield this is a bad thing...

        1.It doesn't really matter how many strands you tie on any given square, the norm is generally 4-6, but keep in mind that if you do the suit with 4 strands of jute of equal length, you will be defeating one of nature's primary values, in that nothing is the same, i.e. vary the number of strands, vary the length of the strands. This will help you keep the randomness...

        2. I personally use a stirrup made from 550/para cord. other people use other things...

        3. Generally speaking you shouldnt be able to see the netting, however opinions may vary. It stands to reason that on any edge or end of netting on your salad suit, where overlap is crucial, your strands should be longer, maybe as much as 12-16 inches, so when split in half as you tie it, you'll have 6-8 inches of lay down...

        It's very important to keep in mind the 60/40 rule. 60% natural vegetation, 40% man made...A lot of guys fill the net squares to the absolute maximum with garnish, creating a 45lb net poncho. be kind of hard to move any distance on a stalk while wearing one of these "Netting Poncho's"... Take a look at some of the pics on the net of the real deal's either US Army or USMC, and look real hard at the suits they use, I think you'd be surprised at how little garnish is actually there...

        Hope this helps...

        'Squatch.........

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        • #5
          Thanks for the help, guys. i would have someone help me out with deciding where i am lacking camoflauge, but i dont know ANYBODY else on this planet personally that has the same interests as i do. probably because of my age and location (peoples republik of kalifornia). nearly everyone who resides here is a strong liberal democrat socialist leninist stalinist communist person!
          Ryan Dacey
          a.k.a. Mr Skorotsnoy
          Wargamer/shooter/full-time human being

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          • #6
            I ordered a bushrag ghillie suit. I put it together with all kinds of colors and went through the trouble of putting in all kinds of extras including padding in the elbows and knees and a canvas front. All this was done prior to going to the Sniper Training School. I thought I did an outstanding job. First day at the school an ex-marine sniper looked at my suit and kinda raised his eyebrow. Then he brought out his all rolled up and very small in diameter. He rolled it out and the pants, shirt, and Boonie hat were rolled inside. I was surprised at how little burlap there was.
            Now my suit worked but when it got wet it weighed a ton and took forever to dry out. His you could have wrung dry by hand. Then after our semi successful stalks on him he hid in plain green bdu's and we tried unsuccessfully to find him. Even after he fired we couldn't see him.
            What I'm driving at here is it is my humble opinion that he was right and ghillie suits are overdone. My new suit looks pretty much like his and implements the 60/40 rule. A Ghillie should be sparsely covered with burlap for a couple of good reasons ....
            1. You never know what your surroundings will look like.
            2. Colors change with the seasons no matter where your at.
            3. Sparsely covering your ghillie makes it smaller more compact more mobile.
            IMHO if your stateside and not in the Military you wont need a Ghillie that you have to cut the buttons off and do all this fancy stuff. My new ghillie is BDU top and bottom with netting and burlap and that's it.
            We snuck up on the team last year and took several shots no one could find us. We stood up and let them see us and they were amazed. We laid back down and the team said we just disappeared. The long and short of this book that I just wrote is listen to everyone's ideas, but do what's best for you and your particular situation.
            Simplicity....sometimes overlooked and sometimes scoffed at can be the deadliest form of all. Hey that sounded pretty good I think I'll write that down.........SORT OUT

            [ 08-22-2002, 01:11: Message edited by: SORT Dude ]
            "1000 yards...Where the rubber meets the road!" John Howe

            "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

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            • #7
              Hey guys, I've got another question to throw into the mix. If you're using netting, there is four sides to every square in the net right? Do you put burlap on all four sides, or just two parrallel ones, or make it random?

              Hanzo
              "The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps." Eleanor Roosevelt, 1945

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              • #8
                Steve, when making ghillies this is what Ive found to my liking...

                Burlap strip on horizontal one piece every 3-4 squares, burlap strips are typically 12 inches on average which gives a 6 inch split. I stagger and skip the next 3-4 squares up and then begin tying ina staggered overlap pattern on the horizontal again.

                I add the Moss Jute provided by Mike Stanchik at www.ghillie.net to the vertical sections of different squares in varying sections sometimes 2-4 inches, sometimes 6-8 inches...

                After I "weather it in" I will come back and lay it out and make sure there are no bare spots or highlights that can be seen.

                Not sure who has seen the pics of my most recent salad suit, I know I sent some pics to DesertDiz, if you wanna see the pics drop me an e-mail...

                'Squatch.......

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                • #9
                  So it sounds like you're tying in burlap/jute onto roughly a quarter of the available space? I'm just using burlap, so I'm trying to get an idea. Oh, and do you use more burlap on the boonie since that is the primary part showing?

                  Hanzo
                  "The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps." Eleanor Roosevelt, 1945

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